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03-22-2010, 02:53 PM
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Say what you want about David but this post is actually true, and actually makes a very good point.. I edited the marketing out.

One of the flaws in the seduction community is that most members are either very dumb, or very intelligent.


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The Ten Reasons Why HIGHLY INTELLIGENT
Men Fail With Women... AND WHAT TO DO
ABOUT IT...

Iíve been teaching men how to become more successful with women and dating for several years now... and one "problem scenario" just keeps coming up OVER AND OVER... and OVER and OVER and OVER again...

...and it really amazes me.

Iím going to refer to it as "The Genius Failure Paradox".

"The Genius Failure Paradox" is the tendency for UNUSUALLY intelligent men to have very LOW levels of success with women and dating.

After contemplating this particular paradox, discussing it, and working on it for an awesome amount of time, Iíd like to share my thoughts about it with you.

I assume that if youíve read this far, then you see probably yourself as smarter than the average guy.

You know that youíre a little different than other guys.

You probably realized at a young age that you saw things differently, and thought differently than others in school...

And youíve probably realized that your smart mind gives you an advantage over others in many areas of life...

Your smart mind gives you a particular type of advantage that can be very, very powerful in life: YOUíRE USUALLY RIGHT.

Smart people get used to being "right", because they usually ARE right.

And when youíre RIGHT more often than others, you can get ahead in many situations.

But unfortunately, this smart mind of yours can actually be WORSE than USELESS when it comes to a key area of life:

WOMEN AND DATING.

By the way, I did say WORSE than useless.

It can actually be like having a hammer when you need to tighten a bolt. If you use the tool you have for the job, youíll most likely make the situation WORSE.

Of course, itís hard for a smart guy to even IMAGINE a situation where his smart mind could HURT his chances for success...

But trust me, this is one of those situations.

So relax, open your smart mind, and let me share with you the ten reasons why smart guys fail with women... and what to do about it.
Reason #1: Theyíre wrong, but they canít or wonít see it or admit it.

I mentioned that smart guys are used to being RIGHT in most situations.

And what do most smart guys do when they come across a situation where theyíre WRONG?

They find a new situation... one that fits their strength. They know theyíll be right next time, so they just walk away... knowing that it wonít be long before theyíre right again.

(OR they let the "problem situation" destroy them... more on that later.)

Well, the BITCH about being wrong when it comes to women and dating is THEREíS NOWHERE TO RUN AND HIDE.

Thereís no quick "Iím right" around the next corner to make you feel better.

It only takes "failing" with a few women in a row for a smart guy to see the pattern... and realize that something isnít working.

Solution? Think harder.

A smart guy just assumes that his logic must be good... so he just keeps thinking harder.

But when no success comes, it really starts to become mentally difficult.

Accepting that youíre wrong is a VERY hard thing for a "smart guy".

Accepting that youíre not only wrong, but you have NO CLUE WHERE TO EVEN START is even more difficult.

Ultimately, many smart guys come up with the following logical conclusion:

I AM A SMART GUY, THEREFORE IF I CANíT FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN AND DATING, THEN THE PROBLEM MUST NOT BE SOLVABLE OR WORTH SOLVING.

Try that on for a self-defeating idea.
Reason #2: Theyíre blind and arrogant.

In short, many smart guys refuse to accept that a good, solid, workable answer could come from someone "dumber" than them, so they discount any idea that comes from an "obviously less intelligent person" before trying it.

Let me ask you a question:

If you were going to be walking across Africa on foot, would you rather have your guide be the guy on this planet with the highest I.Q., or a caveman who lived a million years ago that had an I.Q. of about 50... but who grew up being chased by lions and all kinds of animals that wanted to eat him all his life?

Itís an interesting question.

Now, hopefully youíd like to have the guide who isnít the smartest guy around... but who has escaped from many, many dangerous situations with deadly animals...

But now let me ask you:


Thereís something about being smart that makes some guys unwilling to accept input, ideas, or instruction from anyone who isnít either as smart or smarter than them.

Well, any SMART GUY can see the folly in this particular approach... once itís examined closely.


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03-22-2010, 02:54 PM
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If youíve been making this mistake, then you need to STOP IT. Stop being an arrogant bastard, and open your eyes.

Look around.

Learn from some "dumb" guys... and let them teach you how to get what you REALLY want.
Reason #3: Poor Social Skills.

It BLOWS MY MIND how many smart guys I meet that just donít GET IT when it comes to basic social skills.

Itís as if they have logically reasoned that social skills are for lower beings who need to play games... and not worth the time it would take to learn them.

In fact, I believe that there are a lot of smart guys running around this planet who donít even have "social skills" and "be a cool guy that people like" in their "MENTAL MODEL" of what it could possibly take to be successful with women and dating.

Social skills are just that... SKILLS.

Theyíre not social INFORMATION.

Theyíre not social THEORIES.

Theyíre social SKILLS.

And you donít get them by THINKING about them. You get them by GETTING them.

Excellent social skills are the foundation for good communication with other humans... and if you donít have good social skills, you dramatically lower your chances for success with women.
Reason #4: They psych themselves out.

Smart guys do something that fascinates the hell out of me...

They come up with all the reasons why everything WONíT WORK when it comes to women and dating.

They actually figure out why what they would like to do will probably fail...

They use their amazing creative imaginations to imagine all kinds of horrible pictures and scenes... and then they use those imaginary outcomes to create negative emotions... which ultimately stop them from having success with women and dating.
THEY DONíT EVEN TRY.

Now, if youíve thought something through and come up with a good reason why it would fail, it makes sense to not do it, right?

I mean, why would you want to do things that are going to fail?

Itís sound logic, but HORRIBLE thinking when it comes to the REAL WORLD... and success with women.

Because smart guys donít UNDERSTAND women, and they donít UNDERSTAND what it takes to be successful with women, they are working with bad figures. Theyíre wrong before they even start figuring!

Using your mind to come up with all the reasons why things wonít work in this area of your life leads to ULTIMATE FAILURE.

You must learn to overcome this habit if you have it.
Reason #5: They seek only "informational solutions."

What does a smart guy do when he runs into a problem... or he needs to figure something out?

He looks for INFORMATION to help him solve the problem.

MORE INFORMATION is always the answer.

Information is the friend of a smart guy.

Got a strange virus on your computer? Just hop on the internet and search for how to eliminate it.

Donít know how to change the alternator on your car? No prob. Just buy the manual and turn to page 147.

Donít know the definition of a word? Open up your dictionary.

MORE INFORMATION solves the problem.

So what do smart guys do when it comes to overcoming a problem with women?

They want MORE INFORMATION.

They think the answer lies in learning just ONE MORE TECHNIQUE... or one more magic concept.

Well what if there were a situation in life where the "get more information" strategy actually made things WORSE?

How would you even know that it was making things worse?

Now, I donít want to suggest that learning more about how to be successful with women is a bad thing. Itís not.

But if you have a problem that is EMOTIONAL or PHYSICAL in nature, then reading five million theories on it probably isnít going to help you very much.

You need to get out in the real world and try some stuff!

You need to look at the REAL problem... the ROOT of the problem.

When it comes to women and dating, thereís a very good chance that you have MORE than enough "information".

Smart guys often use "more information" to distract them from TAKING ACTION.

Iíve heard this referred to as "Creative Avoidance".

Nod silently if youíve ever figured out a creative way to avoid facing something in your life.

Good, thank you.
Reason #6: They focus on logic instead of emotion.

NEWS JUST IN: Women donít feel ATTRACTION for men who make them THINK.

Women feel ATTRACTION for men who make them FEEL.

So what do most smart guys do when they first meet a woman?

EXACTLY!

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If youíre taking a test, you can sit there and work out the answers.

If you have a math problem, you can work on it until youíve figured it out.

If youíre trying to fix something, you can keep working on it until itís fixed.

Smart guys are used to being able to take at least a LITTLE bit of time to prepare and show off their "good sides" in most situations.

Not so with women...
If you donít know what to do at every step along the way, youíll be shut down very quickly.

Women have an AMAZING "He doesnít get it" radar system.

Women have all kinds of subtle and ingenious tests that they throw at men to separate the "get its" from the "donít get its".

And if you donít get it, then youíre going to fail one of these tests VERY quickly.

But the worst part is that you wonít ever KNOW that you were being tested... OR that you failed.

Smart guys arenít used to dealing with complex EMOTIONAL and COMMUNICATION challenges in the moment... and especially the "women and dating" kind.

One of they keys to becoming more successful with women and dating is learning to handle all of the tests that women throw at you effortlessly.

But before you can learn how to deal with the tests, you must first learn how to communicate on an emotional level, how to demonstrate that you have fundamental social skills, and how to keep your cool in the moment.
Reason #8: They think that doing "nice" things is the "smart way."

OK, let me ask you a trick question:

If I told you that you were going to have a date with the supermodel of your choice, which of the following would you choose as a "smart" way of preparing:

1) Find out what her favorite type of flowers are, and show up with a dozen of them so she would be "wowed".

2) Learn about her favorite travel destination so you could discuss it with her.

3) Find out what her favorite type of food is so you could take her to dinner... and she could see that you cared enough to choose something that she enjoyed.

OK, timeís up. Which did you choose?

Now, I already mentioned that this was a TRICK question.

The answer is NONE OF THE ABOVE.

But WHY?

These three options all seemed logical, right?

I mean, why WOULDNíT you want to show up with her favorite flowers?

Why WOULDNíT you want to talk about her favorite places to travel?

Why WOULDNíT you want to take her to eat her favorite foods so she enjoyed herself?

Go with me here...

Smart guys think that theyíre being CLEVER when they do things like buying a woman her favorite flowers... and bringing them to the FIRST DATE.

Right?

In their minds, theyíre thinking "Iím going to be the guy who is thinking ahead... and Iím going to show up with the flowers that I KNOW she loves... and sheís going to see them and like me more because of it".

Makes sense... good math, right?

Well the one teensy-weensy mistake that these "smart" guys make is not realizing that it doesnít actually take a smart person to think like this!

In fact, ANY jackass can figure out how to kiss a womanís ass.

And guess what?

WOMEN KNOW THIS!

And guess what else?

EVERY WUSSBAG DOES THIS STUFF.

An intelligent guy, in his proud arrogance, will think heís being such the charmer by using this "thoughtful" approach...

...and the woman he is chasing will interpret it as just another Wussy whoís trying to MANIPULATE her.

Ouch. Another blow to intelligence.
Reason #9: Always needing to be the expert.

Have you ever met a smart guy who always needed to be "right"?

Have you ever met someone who would actually argue with you about something they knew nothing about... and make a fool of themselves because they just couldnít shut their "smart mouths"?

Over the last few years helping guys improve their success with women, I see this one pattern over and over again...

Smart guys donít like to be "beginners" at ANYTHING.

They donít like the idea of screwing up... especially if others are watching.
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They want to maintain this "smart guy" image of themselves... so they try to always be "The Expert" at whatever they do.

Instead of saying "Hey, you know what? Iím a beginner at this... how do I do it? What should I do first? What next?"... and instead of being totally OK with screwing up, making mistakes, and making a fool of themselves in front of others in order to LEARN...

...they wonít risk embarrassment, failure, or others thinking that theyíre beginners... so they wind up ultimately FAILING.

MORE NEWS JUST IN: Itís OK to be a beginner.
Reason #10: They canít deal with fear and other emotions.

A smart guyís STRENGTH is his MIND.

His WEAKNESS is often his EMOTIONS.

Smart guys are often IMMOBILIZED by FEAR.

Totally stopped.

FROZEN.

And since many smart guys arenít comfortable dealing with things theyíre not good at, they just repress or RUN away from fear.

Many men would rather DIE in lonely isolation than admit that they donít know how to deal with their emotions... or, GOD FORBID, ask for help!

Hey, I went for YEARS like this.

I know what itís like.

But the reality is that any guy can learn to handle and even MASTER his emotions (even fear)... if he just takes the time and effort to learn HOW to do it.

If this is you, then do yourself a big favor... take the time. Take the effort.

Donít worry about what anyone else thinks of you... it doesnít matter.

What matters is you doing the things that YOU need to do FOR YOU.

...I think the reason why Iím so fascinated with "The Genius Failure Paradox" is because I have had to struggle with all of these issues for a lot of years of my life.

Now, Iím not saying that Iím the smartest guy on the planet...

But I donít think mamma raised no fool.

And it always bothered the hell out of me that even though I was so good at figuring things out, I couldnít figure WOMEN out.

Something tells me that you know what Iím talking about.

Well, after beating my head against the wall for a few years... trying all kinds of crazy "logical" stuff... I finally got the "bright" idea to start studying guys who were "naturally" good with women.

Of course, I found out that you could be both NOT SMART, and VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN at the same time.

I also learned that you can be SMART and VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN too.

By carefully studying what the "naturals" did with women... and learning how they "thought" about the topic, I began to realize that success with women wasnít entirely LOGICAL.

Much of what I learned was very tough for me to accept... because my logical brain just didnít want to buy into it.

One thing I saw was guys pushing women away from them... and having the women then chase them in response.

Made no sense at all.

I saw guys tease beautiful women and make jokes about them to their faces... and then watched those women become "little girls" in response... unable to maintain their composure, and therefore unable to maintain their manipulative power...

It took me quite a long time, but I continued to learn, test, and refine what I was learning until I personally figured out how to approach women in any situation... get any womanís number I wanted anytime I wanted... date any type of woman I wanted...

...and most importantly, GET RID of that "empty" feeling that I carried around my whole life because I didnít know how to attract women
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Yea this stuff is why he sells products. He gives his best material away.

The other 95 percent is the problem though.


By the way he fits into that category.

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This description fits me so well it's frightening. Or is this some kind of cold reading trick?
And yes, I also think DeAngelo is pretty smart... but again he gives a false solution to this problem; buy his products.

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I've gotten thousands of phone numbers. However, I never have gotten rid of any of them.







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