Jezebelians: Do you wish low-LMS guys would stop approaching you and leave you alone?

[aexexx]

If you are female, no doubt, sometime this week, and every week since you were 18, you've had to reject guys because they didn't live up to your requirements in a potential candidate.

You had no choice but to reject these guys as they did not meet your requirements for either LMS (looks, money and status) or some other requirement of yours (i.e. you didn't meet him through a friend or hobby, he's too short, etc).

* Do you wish these guys had never bothered to approach you in the first place? Is it as was once said on this forum: "women hate being approached by non-male model looking guys" (PUAHater, 2012).

* Think of the last guy you rejected online or at a club. What would you advise him to do from now on in trying to find a girlfriend or casual relationship? (nothing like: "keep trying, there's a girl out there for you")

* How would you feel about a new type of club where women get to vote if a guy is good-looking enough to enter the club?

[lifeendsat30]

Why is it not yet legal for women to shoot/kill non-male models on site?

[twothreeoh]

Do you want my answer, or am I wasting my time?

[Swishbuck]

Originally Posted by twothreeoh

Do you want my answer, or am I wasting my time?

Yes, and yes.

[twothreeoh]

Originally Posted by Swishbuck

Yes, and yes.

I'll wait for the LMS guys to respond. They don't really value my opinion, so I'm not gonna bother if they don't want ti.

[aexexx]

Originally Posted by twothreeoh

I'll wait for the LMS guys to respond. They don't really value my opinion, so I'm not gonna bother if they don't want ti.

gimme ur pussy, i mean opinion.
i mean pussy.

[twothreeoh]

Okay, I appreciate that guys are in a tough spot. The pressure is on you to approach and you aren't born knowing how to do it. At 19-20 I didn't know that guys were insecure too. Guys don't look insecure to women. But at 19-20 I also was terribly insecure. So are all girls even if they don't look it to you.

In clubs, bars and at parties: if a guy is polite or friendly, I'm always nice back. I don't care what he looks like. If I'm not interested I'll let him know. For you, it's always best to approach if you're interested.

Why, the thing is, your idea of LMS is not failproof (in my mind, it's bs, because you never know what an individual women thinks is "L").

The downside for you is, sometimes you're gonna get a bad reaction from a chick. You have to learn that it's not personal. A woman could be having a bad day, upset about something, whatever. Or maybe she's just not nice.

But! If you find yourself getting really blue after a night out, stop going to those kinds of places!

About everywhere else: you have to realize that women get hit on everywhere: in supermarkets, cafes, on the streets, in libraries, etc. It can be threatening and it's unwanted, no matter what the guy looks like. I wear dresses, look conservative and innocent, and I am petite, but guys still approach me in stores and all sorts of non-pick up places. It startles me.

Granted if a woman is in the right mood and the guy happens to approach in a nice way it can work, but most of these instances of getting hit on are aggressive or just outright creepy. So a woman is going to have a sense, fair or not, of what kind of guy you are based on all the guys she meets all week long.

Conclusion: when you're out at a club talking to a woman, by all means approach who you like. If a woman is turned off, it's not about you. Don't get discouraged.

As for clubs of good looking people... um... no. Your idea of good looking people aren't necessarily interesting people. "L" for women doesn't correlate to what you guys see as "L." As that study the other day showed, "L" for women correlates to looking kind and charismatic, whatever women take that to mean. The guys you think are hot look like young male barbies. Not attractive to me at all.

Originally Posted by aexexx

If you are female, no doubt, sometime this week, and every week since you were 18, you've had to reject guys because they didn't live up to your requirements in a potential candidate.

You had no choice but to reject these guys as they did not meet your requirements for either LMS (looks, money and status) or some other requirement of yours (i.e. you didn't meet him through a friend or hobby, he's too short, etc).

* Do you wish these guys had never bothered to approach you in the first place? Is it as was once said on this forum: "women hate being approached by non-male model looking guys" (PUAHater, 2012).

* Think of the last guy you rejected online or at a club. What would you advise him to do from now on in trying to find a girlfriend or casual relationship? (nothing like: "keep trying, there's a girl out there for you")

* How would you feel about a new type of club where women get to vote if a guy is good-looking enough to enter the club?

[Lefty]

[Cybel]

Originally Posted by aexexx

If you are female, no doubt, sometime this week, and every week since you were 18, you've had to reject guys because they didn't live up to your requirements in a potential candidate.

You had no choice but to reject these guys as they did not meet your requirements for either LMS (looks, money and status) or some other requirement of yours (i.e. you didn't meet him through a friend or hobby, he's too short, etc).

* Do you wish these guys had never bothered to approach you in the first place? Is it as was once said on this forum: "women hate being approached by non-male model looking guys" (PUAHater, 2012).

* Think of the last guy you rejected online or at a club. What would you advise him to do from now on in trying to find a girlfriend or casual relationship? (nothing like: "keep trying, there's a girl out there for you")

* How would you feel about a new type of club where women get to vote if a guy is good-looking enough to enter the club?

I've never been to a "club" (I'm almost 28), nor have I ever tried any sort of online dating. I keep my pictures private on FB (my profile pic is usually taken from my nature photography). So all in all, I don't have too much of a problem with men approaching (unless it's at some other venue - like the grocery store, coffee shop, etc.). Regardless of LMS status, I'd prefer that strange men (i.e. a stranger; not strange, as in, "he's a weirdo") not approach me at all. Unless a man's been specifically vouched for by others that I know and trust, or I've had the opportunity to get know him over the course of a year or longer through some sort of "professional" avenue (grad school, work, community service projects, etc.), I'm not going to consider him as a potential partner.

I think the best bet for most men seeking a wife, girlfriend or casual partner is to get involved in things that they are passionate about. Not only will it allow you to meet women who share similar interests, but it will also demonstrate to prospective female partners that you are, in fact, passionate about something. Being "alpha" isn't about looks, or money, or any other such nonsense - it's about passion. If you spend 40 hours/week working a job you hate, and hit the "clubs" (or other "singles"-oriented venues) on the weekends, your problem isn't lack of money or striking good looks - it's a lack of interesting qualities. This is why male academics, musicians, artists, social activists, etc. are typically capable of attracting women, regardless of money or appearances.

As to your last question, I think "clubs" are gross. I don't go to them, nor would I consider going if they "screened" their guests. That would only make more icky, IMO. Most (albeit not all) of the men I've become involved with (casually or otherwise) aren't the image of mainstream attractiveness. I, on the other hand, am; it is therefore important to me to find men whose primary motivation isn't my appearance. Even if we talking about "casual" sex, I'm only going to participate if it's with someone I've built a solid friendship with, whom I also happen to find attractive. The "club" environment is mostly about finding individuals for one-night stands - certainly, to each his own, but this isn't the type of encounter that I desire under any circumstance.

[aexexx]

Thanks for that honesty.

Originally Posted by Cybel

I've never been to a "club" (I'm almost 28), nor have I ever tried any sort of online dating. I keep my pictures private on FB (my profile pic is usually taken from my nature photography). So all in all, I don't have too much of a problem with men approaching (unless it's at some other venue - like the grocery store, coffee shop, etc.).

This makes my blood boil. All over the West, men are partaking in classes they don't give a shit about, spending about £100 or over $100 a weekend in clubs, trying to drink themselves confident and pay for girls' time(the losery guys) with drinks, wasting about 10 hours per weekend and even after a year, there is no guarantee of even a kiss.

Meanwhile, women walk around, avoiding men. Any man that doesn't look like a catwalk model is ignored. Yet, they're still bombarded with hundreds of dating and sex options.

It's so laughable. I can't wait til sex robots come in.

Regardless of LMS status, I'd prefer that strange men (i.e. a stranger; not strange, as in, "he's a weirdo") not approach me at all.

LOL. Hear that guys??

Talking to a woman = you're a creepy guy!!

Girl talks to you = chance of something happening.

Also, this girl has casual sex. How many guys on this forum would love to have casual sex but can't coz they're average looking?

LOL@women don't have casual sex, they want long committed relationships with love and chocolates and breakfast in bed.

This whole shit is laughable. Sometimes I wish I were born female. I wouldn't even need to WORK. Just get an investment banker to pay for my lifestyle. Then I could fuck his model looking 21 year old son behind his back.

Life for women = POWER, ABUNDANCE, REWARDS (by govt., law, men, etc)

[LooksTheory]

Women don't want men, the idea of getting to know someone for a year (if not male model looking) before starting a relationship is absurd I can only imagine the stupid tests and mind games that a woman would pull in that time before she decided he's ticked her 1325464654 boxes of requirements.

Even if I reach my goals and become an 8 I fear that it's not going to good enough also because of the anger, rage and depression (caused by women) my health is starting to suffer.

[Cybel]

Originally Posted by aexexx

Thanks for that honesty.



This makes my blood boil. All over the West, men are partaking in classes they don't give a shit about, spending about £100 or over $100 a weekend in clubs, trying to drink themselves confident and pay for girls' time(the losery guys) with drinks, wasting about 10 hours per weekend and even after a year, there is no guarantee of even a kiss.

Meanwhile, women walk around, avoiding men. Any man that doesn't look like a catwalk model is ignored. Yet, they're still bombarded with hundreds of dating and sex options.

It's so laughable. I can't wait til sex robots come in.



LOL. Hear that guys??

Talking to a woman = you're a creepy guy!!

Girl talks to you = chance of something happening.

Also, this girl has casual sex. How many guys on this forum would love to have casual sex but can't coz they're average looking?

LOL@women don't have casual sex, they want long committed relationships with love and chocolates and breakfast in bed.

This whole shit is laughable. Sometimes I wish I were born female. I wouldn't even need to WORK. Just get an investment banker to pay for my lifestyle. Then I could fuck his model looking 21 year old son behind his back.

Life for women = POWER, ABUNDANCE, REWARDS (by govt., law, men, etc)

Re-read. I specifically clarified "a stranger," not "strange," as in, "creepy."

And yes, I've had casual sex, when I wasn't looking for a long-term relationship. I communicated the parameters with those I was involved with casually, and they communicated theirs; it was always agreed upon that it wouldn't be serious or exclusive.

When I found the "right" person, I moved on to commitment and monogamy (at his request; I've always enjoyed being single, so I was never in any particular rush to settle down).

[shutupwoman]

dont listen to these fake posts.
theyre just regurgitating the same shit all women claim.
in the end, her actions speak louder than her words. she will fuck the good looking guy and not fuck the average guy.
DONE. debate over

[aexexx]

Originally Posted by shutupwoman

she will fuck the good looking guy and not fuck the average guy.
DONE. debate over

I LMAO'd. True. LT also legit post.

Cybel wants a guy to befriend her for a year before he can ask her out on a date. LOL! A YEAR IN SOME GYM/COOKERY CLASS. Before I even meet the requirements to ASK HER OUT, let alone meeting her LOOKS REQUIREMENTS.

Im just gonna finish up this post. I can't be bothered. lol@cybel. thanks for letting us know how it is.

GOOD LOOKING GUY = INSTA FUCK
AVERAGE LOOKING GUY = BEFRIEND ME FOR A YEAR, I WILL SOFT-REJECT YOU.

[Worthless Trash]

Originally Posted by aexexx

I LMAO'd. True. LT also legit post.

Cybel wants a guy to befriend her for a year before he can ask her out on a date. LOL! A YEAR IN SOME GYM/COOKERY CLASS. Before I even meet the requirements to ASK HER OUT, let alone meeting her LOOKS REQUIREMENTS.

Im just gonna finish up this post. I can't be bothered. lol@cybel. thanks for letting us know how it is.

GOOD LOOKING GUY = INSTA FUCK
AVERAGE LOOKING GUY = BEFRIEND ME FOR A YEAR, I WILL SOFT-REJECT YOU.

You should be honoured having the fantastic opportunity of being her friend for a year!!111!11one
Think about how cool it would be being her friend? She'll whine how male model 1 didn't look at her, the next day she'll whine how
a male model guy lasted in bed for 20 mnutes but not 25 as she expected.
Or how her new boyfriend is a jerk.

[aexexx]

Originally Posted by Worthless Trash

You should be honoured having the fantastic opportunity of being her friend for a year!!111!11one
Think about how cool it would be being her friend? She'll whine how male model 1 didn't look at her, the next day she'll whine how
a male model guy lasted in bed for 20 mnutes but not 25 as she expected.
Or how her new boyfriend is a jerk.

LOL.

I have nothing to add.

[jamie99]

Originally Posted by Cybel

Re-read. I specifically clarified "a stranger," not "strange," as in, "creepy."

And yes, I've had casual sex, when I wasn't looking for a long-term relationship. I communicated the parameters with those I was involved with casually, and they communicated theirs; it was always agreed upon that it wouldn't be serious or exclusive.

When I found the "right" person, I moved on to commitment and monogamy (at his request; I've always enjoyed being single, so I was never in any particular rush to settle down).

Most of the women who have posted here seem to have come from an educated background. I think this distorts the responses we are receiving.

Notice, the attractive women who we are usually interested in are materialistic and superficial. It is their opinions that matter, not that of someone who openly admits to avoiding clubs/bars and the pretensions of the social scene.

Each to his own. They are not one of us. What they say is not relevant.

[Roger]

a YEAR. LOL. talk about delusional.

[aexexx]

Originally Posted by jamie99

Most of the women who have posted here seem to have come from an educated background. I think this distorts the responses we are receiving.

Notice, the attractive women who we are usually interested in are materialistic and superficial. It is their opinions that matter, not that of someone who openly admits to avoiding clubs/bars and the pretensions of the social scene.

Each to his own. They are not one of us. What they say is not relevant.

Note tho, Jamie, this is a girl that avoids online-dating and clubs and STILL, she is able to have casual sex easier than she can make herself a cup of coffee.

It's just a matter of time before I walk into some building with two shotguns and have CNN, Sky News, BBC, ITN, FOX News all watching.

[Cybel]

Originally Posted by aexexx

GOOD LOOKING GUY = INSTA FUCK
AVERAGE LOOKING GUY = BEFRIEND ME FOR A YEAR, I WILL SOFT-REJECT YOU.

Well, except for the fact that that wasn't what I said. I said "vouched for by someone I know and trust" or someone I've known for "a year or longer." Attraction counts in either case.

[LooksTheory]

Lol so it's not a year it could be longer. Maybe 3 years if he's lucky, at least I would be a master salsa dancer from all the classes I've taken.

[Worthless Trash]

Originally Posted by LooksTheory

Lol so it's not a year it could be longer. Maybe 3 years if he's lucky, at least I would be a master salsa dancer from all the classes I've taken.

Lol, image if you're at 2 and half a year, you're "almost there" and in the last 6 months she gets pregnant by a good looking drug dealer.

[aexexx]

Originally Posted by Cybel

Well, except for the fact that that wasn't what I said. I said "vouched for by someone I know and trust" or someone I've known for "a year or longer." Attraction counts in either case.

Yes, but knowing a guy for a year is just your ENTRY requirement.

THEN he has to look highly attractive. Admit it. You've known guys for YEARS and not considered them as even of the male gender, let alone attrractive.

EDIT: ok, your post agrees with mine. Your checklist is:

1) KNOW GUY FOR A YEAR
2) HE MEETS MY LOOKS REQUIREMENTS
3) HE MEETS MY COMPANIONSHIP REQUIREMENTS
4) HE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS I HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY (I.E. IF I MEET A MAN ON A THURSDAY BETWEEN 7.39PM AND 8.13PM, HE MUST HAVE A MOUSTACHE, OTHERWISE = BYE)

[Cybel]

Originally Posted by LooksTheory

Lol so it's not a year it could be longer. Maybe 3 years if he's lucky, at least I would be a master salsa dancer from all the classes I've taken.

When I said "get involved with something you're passionate about, I meant, literally, get involved in something you're passionate about. My last relationship (5 years) was the result of being intoduced by a mutual friend ("someone I know and trust"). My current relationship is the result of meeting in grad school. We were acquainted for around two years before we got involved with one another - and it's not like he was waiting around to get my attention. He had another relationship during this period (for a few months), and I'm pretty sure he did just fine in the casual sex department for the remainder of the time. By the time we starting seeing each other, I knew that we had things in common, that I enjoyed his company, that he worked hard and loved his job... And, more than anything else, I knew how he treated women. When you have ex-girlfriends and ex-lovers willing to vouche for you, you're probably a pretty great guy.

Since when is it terrible to make sure that you're compatible before attempting a relationship? It makes sense.

[jamie99]

Originally Posted by aexexx

Yes, but knowing a guy for a year is just your ENTRY requirement.

THEN he has to look highly attractive. Admit it. You've known guys for YEARS and not considered them as even of the male gender, let alone attrractive.

EDIT: ok, your post agrees with mine. Your checklist is:

1) KNOW GUY FOR A YEAR
2) HE MEETS MY LOOKS REQUIREMENTS
3) HE MEETS MY COMPANIONSHIP REQUIREMENTS
4) HE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS I HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY (I.E. IF I MEET A MAN ON A THURSDAY BETWEEN 7.39PM AND 8.13PM, HE MUST HAVE A MOUSTACHE, OTHERWISE = BYE)

Don't worry about what she has to say. It's not of importance to you or me.

She has a different lifestyle. One that prioritizes academics and study. She is a nerd. A bookworm.

This girl probably spent her early twenties in a library. Luckily, as a girl she was saved by the mere fact this would not impede her chances with men, who would eagerly overlook her lack of social participation.

If she was a male, she would be a pimply geek. Most likely a virgin. Girls like her are not the norm. We would not encounter her on a typical night out.

[Cybel]

Originally Posted by aexexx

Yes, but knowing a guy for a year is just your ENTRY requirement.

THEN he has to look highly attractive. Admit it. You've known guys for YEARS and not considered them as even of the male gender, let alone attrractive.

EDIT: ok, your post agrees with mine. Your checklist is:

1) KNOW GUY FOR A YEAR
2) HE MEETS MY LOOKS REQUIREMENTS
3) HE MEETS MY COMPANIONSHIP REQUIREMENTS
4) HE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS I HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY (I.E. IF I MEET A MAN ON A THURSDAY BETWEEN 7.39PM AND 8.13PM, HE MUST HAVE A MOUSTACHE, OTHERWISE = BYE)

Attraction counts - not attractiveness. I have to be attracted to the person. He doesn't have to look like a male model for that to be the case - there are no "looks requirements." And my male friends are fantastic - just because I'm not attracted to them, doesn't mean they aren't getting laid left and right.

[GilaMon]

Originally Posted by Cybel

Attraction there are no "looks requirements." in attraction.

There are looks requirements for being attracted to someone.

Physical attraction comes first.

You're not saving any fairies by denying a simple thing.

lol You Jezebel guys are so full of it with your holier than thou bs.

[Cybel]

Originally Posted by jamie99

Don't worry about what she has to say. It's not of importance to you or me.

She has a different lifestyle. One that prioritizes academics and study. She is a nerd. A bookworm.

This girl probably spent her early twenties in a library. Luckily, as a girl she was saved by the mere fact this would not impede her chances with men, who would eagerly overlook her lack of social participation.

If she was a male, she would be a pimply geek. Most likely a virgin. Girls like her are not the norm. We would not encounter her on a typical night out.

Reasonable man is reasonable. BUT there are many non-pimply, non-virgin male academic types. Are they male model types? No, but attractive and brainy nonetheless. But I do agree, it's a "different world."

[Worthless Trash]

When a woman says attractive she means the top 5% guys, since 80% are below average according to women.
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/yo...online-dating/

[Cybel]

Originally Posted by GilaMon

There are looks requirements for being attracted to someone.

Physical attraction comes first.

Not always true. Personality can make someone previously unattractive, attractive. I wasn't initially attracted to my fiance. He was just a cool guy I knew for a very long time. It wasn't until a few chance conversations that I grew profoundly attracted to him.