How did Style (Neil Strauss) do it?

[Awakened4570]

cake and sodomy

[Some Guy]

Originally Posted by Assoul

Don't listen to half the people on this, they're idiots.

There's nothing magical about what Neil did. I took an early bootcamp with him when way before "The Game" and I can tell you that this is how he did it:

1. Become obsessed with a goal.
2. Consistently surround yourself with people, places, and things that will move you toward that goal.
3. Eliminate whatever takes you away from that goal.

That's all. Neil is among the most intelligent, focused, and hard-working people I've ever met.

.....and yet, he is truly not that good with women. fuck, hey, a lot of women aren't even good with women....

where do people get off claiming they are good with women?

They're the dickheads.

So if I work around celebrities and can bring them up in conversation now and then, and sprout out all this fuzzy-go-lucky bullshit that flies around L.A, then I too can do it - with alchohol.

Remember all those girls were out getting plastered when that fuck wit came along and "chatted" them up in his piss weak and rigid M-Method....because the moron has no personality.

Go figure - we're idiots?

You're a retard. I bet you are sucking on your keyboard now, ya backward-hick.


You must remember that not all girls were born equal either - some are really spastic-like. Have you spoken to many women? Some are really dumb and naive, just like some men. Is it any wonder they just go for the next "anything" man that comes along?

Get a clue, bro. Thats predestal talk of women, I hear. They are not magical, they are just chicks.
___

If you want to talk bullshit, mate, do it at the pub where no one remembers what the fuck you're on about 6 months from now.

I've called you out. And you're owned. The mere fact Strauss was teaching M Method, means he has no credibility. Then...and now.

[SoBelleCose]

Pathetic Performance.

You Tube

[Zan Perrion bot]

Originally Posted by SoBelleCose

Pathetic Performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QEtUcjldaE

it took him 9 months to master this shit?

[SoBelleCose]

Fucking ridicolous.
It's incredible that somebody paid money on his products.
Zero charm,zero personality.

[Assoul]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

.....and yet, he is truly not that good with women. fuck, hey, a lot of women aren't even good with women....

where do people get off claiming they are good with women?

They're the dickheads.

So if I work around celebrities and can bring them up in conversation now and then, and sprout out all this fuzzy-go-lucky bullshit that flies around L.A, then I too can do it - with alchohol.

Remember all those girls were out getting plastered when that fuck wit came along and "chatted" them up in his piss weak and rigid M-Method....because the moron has no personality.

Go figure - we're idiots?

You're a retard. I bet you are sucking on your keyboard now, ya backward-hick.


You must remember that not all girls were born equal either - some are really spastic-like. Have you spoken to many women? Some are really dumb and naive, just like some men. Is it any wonder they just go for the next "anything" man that comes along?

Get a clue, bro. Thats predestal talk of women, I hear. They are not magical, they are just chicks.
___

If you want to talk bullshit, mate, do it at the pub where no one remembers what the fuck you're on about 6 months from now.

I've called you out. And you're owned. The mere fact Strauss was teaching M Method, means he has no credibility. Then...and now.

Well, the original poster asked how Neil did it. And I told him he did it through hard work and perseverance. I don't know if you've had a different experience with Neil, but I've seen him in person surrounded with beautiful women.

[Nicholaus]

Originally Posted by Assoul

Well, the original poster asked how Neil did it. And I told him he did it through hard work and perseverance. I don't know if you've had a different experience with Neil, but I've seen him in person surrounded with beautiful women.

.
.
For $200, anyone can be surrounded by beautiful women for a day. So some girls were hanging out with a guy and that impresses you? Seriously, with billions of women on the planet, they are not a scarce resource. They are everywhere. Jesus christ dude, if that impresses you, you really need to take a look at your standards for people in general.

[Assoul]

Originally Posted by Nicholaus

.
.
For $200, anyone can be surrounded by beautiful women for a day. So some girls were hanging out with a guy and that impresses you? Seriously, with billions of women on the planet, they are not a scarce resource. They are everywhere. Jesus christ dude, if that impresses you, you really need to take a look at your standards for people in general.

Do the same first and then talk.

[coolguy69]

Style is the closest to normal PUA guru.

[Some Guy]

Originally Posted by Assoul

Well, the original poster asked how Neil did it. And I told him he did it through hard work and perseverance. I don't know if you've had a different experience with Neil, but I've seen him in person surrounded with beautiful women.

What nic said. And what....did he use mystery method on them?

I like this "surrounded in beautiful women" nonsense. Right from a marketing book.

Whatever. Glory be to neil. Fuck off

[Some Guy]

Seriously what is this guy doing when he is not "surrounded by beautiful women" or trying to be, if in fact he is? Cowering in a corner and crying?

You may think he "has a life" even. All i see is a tosser who needs to get one.

What this cock sucker needs is a knitting circle, that way he can at least be surrounded by women for what he needs most. His lost mum. Talk about a compensating narcissist.

[Zan Perrion bot]

Assoul is a troll, why are you guys wasting your time with him?

@Assoul
if you have money and time go hit the clubs for 9 months and practice his system (Neil said it took him around 9 months to get results and he was going out 6-7 nights a week).

That's a lot of time and Money to practice-
but if you have enough time and money go do it and report back to us.

*why don't you give me your money?
I'm a much more authentic Mangina

[Some Guy]

Originally Posted by Zan Perrion bot

Assoul is a troll, why are you guys wasting your time with him?

@Assoul
if you have money and time go hit the clubs for 9 months and practice his system (Neil said it took him around 9 months to get results and he was going out 6-7 nights a week).

That's a lot of time and Money to practice-
but if you have enough time and money go do it and report back to us.

*why don't you give me your money?
I'm a much more authentic Mangina

I like Neil as a guy more than most. But he is not teaching men how to be men. He is teaching cowards to remain cowards

[Zan Perrion bot]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

I like Neil as a guy more than most. But he is not teaching men how to be men. He is teaching cowards to remain cowards

If it wasn't for his book (which gave him a mini-celebrity status)
I don't think that he would be able to pull hot women on a regular basis just with his game. And if he could-
he would still need to go out a lot just for a chance to get one lay.

The average success rates of skilled PUAs who don't have anything special going for them is at best: getting one girl out of 100 that they were trying to game (and I say at best because some don't even get this success rate)

The seduction Gurus who have better success rates have something going for them besides game like Money or high social status in some niche.

[Some Guy]

Originally Posted by Zan Perrion bot

If it wasn't for his book (which gave him a mini-celebrity status)
I don't think that he would be able to pull hot women on a regular basis just with his game. And if he could-
he would still need to go out a lot just for a chance to get one lay.

The average success rates of skilled PUAs who don't have anything special going for them is at best: getting one girl out of 100 that they were trying to game (and I say at best because some don't even get this success rate)

The seduction Gurus who have better success rates have something going for them besides game like Money or high social status in some niche.

Well said

[SoBelleCose]

Originally Posted by Zan Perrion bot

If it wasn't for his book (which gave him a mini-celebrity status)
I don't think that he would be able to pull hot women on a regular basis just with his game. And if he could-
he would still need to go out a lot just for a chance to get one lay.

The average success rates of skilled PUAs who don't have anything special going for them is at best: getting one girl out of 100 that they were trying to game (and I say at best because some don't even get this success rate)

The seduction Gurus who have better success rates have something going for them besides game like Money or high social status in some niche.

I agree with the first part but in my experience a success ratio of 1 out of 100 is a little pessimistic.I have concrete results 1 out of 8/10 contact I take.I never took precise stats but I'll do that.And I'm a regular guy with a fun,positive attitude.And not all the time I'm interested in taking the contacts.So I get concrete results more or less one time every 15 approaches approx.I'm tall and dark but not a model and quite average looking.

[Zan Perrion bot]

Originally Posted by SoBelleCose

I agree with the first part but in my experience a success ratio of 1 out of 100 is a little pessimistic.I have concrete results 1 out of 8/10 contact I take.I never took precise stats but I'll do that.And I'm a regular guy with a fun,positive attitude.And not all the time I'm interested in taking the contacts.So I get concrete results more or less one time every 15 approaches approx.I'm tall and dark but not a model and quite average looking.

what kind of results?

do you have sex with 1 out of 10 girls you get a phone number from?
do you get a date with one woman out of 10 girls that give you their phone number?

maybe you are one girl type of guy which is cool- but explain what kind of results you mean....

[pujarze]

Who in the world would believe this little dweeb could teach men to be men or get women none the less?

This man is supposedly sopposed to be "Alpha"?
Here he is at 2:12

You Tube

[SoBelleCose]

Originally Posted by Zan Perrion bot

what kind of results?

do you have sex with 1 out of 10 girls you get a phone number from?
do you get a date with one woman out of 10 girls that give you their phone number?

maybe you are one girl type of guy which is cool- but explain what kind of results you mean....

First of all I don't track my results precisely.
Sometimes I say I'll do it but then I think...who the fuck cares?
Let's say(numbers approx)
on 10 approach I get a contact 6-7 times (I can get it all the time but if I don't like the interaction I won't ask and don't want to force girls anymore)
on 10 contact I get a date with 1-2-3 girls (depends on periods)
on 10 date I kiss 6-7-8 times (before I was awful..not able to kiss when the time is right,now I have a different mentality)
on 10 girls I kiss I fuck 1-2 of them.

[Zan Perrion bot]

Originally Posted by SoBelleCose

First of all I don't track my results precisely.
Sometimes I say I'll do it but then I think...who the fuck cares?
Let's say(numbers approx)
on 10 approach I get a contact 6-7 times (I can get it all the time but if I don't like the interaction I won't ask and don't want to force girls anymore)
on 10 contact I get a date with 1-2-3 girls (depends on periods)
on 10 date I kiss 6-7-8 times (before I was awful..not able to kiss when the time is right,now I have a different mentality)
on 10 girls I kiss I fuck 1-2 of them.

that's awesome man, I assume you also live in a big city (which is also cool)
so who's system did you use?

if these are the results I'll study his system as well.

pm me if you don't want to talk about it here...

[PokerFace]

Originally Posted by Nicholaus

.
.
You do realize that "The Game" is a fiction book, right? Fiction.


The only thing Neil Strauss did, was become a dating guru by following the below plan:

this image cracks me up everytime

[PSYCHE]

Feed the trolls!

[puassuck]

What does Neil Strauss claim to be able to do exactly?

The way a man can attract a women is as follows:
1. looks (types)
2.handsomeness
3. status
4. wealth
5. popularity/celebrity/fame
6. social proof

How do pick up artists claim to be able to attract women? What is so magical about a routine? DHVing I guess but DHV is such a vague concept to PUAs it could mean anything, from social proof to dressing fancy. If the game is all about status symbols then what is with the routines?

Routines only work by coincidence I suspect. That is how Strauss can delude himself, by doing routines all the time and counting all the successes and forgetting all the failures.

I should add that Strauss is unpleasant to look at and listen to. ugh

[Zan Perrion bot]

Originally Posted by puassuck

DHVing I guess but DHV is such a vague concept to PUAs it could mean anything

it's easy to DHV girls if you have status, money or fame.

Neil was probably DHVing girls that he knows celebs and stuff like that (because he used to be a writer for Rolling Stone magazine, a Rock reporter for the NY Times). Now that he is a best selling author and a mini-celeb he can DHV girls even more...

[JimJonesWasGod]

Originally Posted by Zan Perrion bot

it's easy to DHV girls if you have status, money or fame.

Neil was probably DHVing girls that he knows celebs and stuff like that (because he used to be a writer for Rolling Stone magazine, a Rock reporter for the NY Times). Now that he is a best selling author and a mini-celeb he can DHV girls even more...

Which means the public is what "did it" for Neil. His status game was over when he got the writing gigs for the Times article and The Game. Let someone without his backing write the samie stuff and it goes nowhere or it's just stuff on the internet.

Instead of judging all the PUAs on their own merits, eeryone flocked to the media darling, to the point where his actual skill is not even relevant (he may be very skilled but it doesn't matter), but his distribution and media exposure, is.

Strauss was also not financially neutral in the community, as he has done business with several who are in it.

[JimJonesWasGod]

Originally Posted by puassuck

What does Neil Strauss claim to be able to do exactly?

The way a man can attract a women is as follows:
1. looks (types)
2.handsomeness
3. status
4. wealth
5. popularity/celebrity/fame
6. social proof

You can add:

7. Timing (being the best option at the time)
8. Being interesting and unique
9. Being decent and nice (yes some women like this)
and more...

Most men rely on the above becuase they lack the ability to be truly desirable to women. The women, not finding a man who truly captivates them, wind up going for money. Not all women are braindead whores, but if a man can't attract the ones who aren't, he'll think they all are.

How do pick up artists claim to be able to attract women? What is so magical about a routine?

A well-developed routine is a brilliantly constructed weapon of mass seduction! Say I develop a routine where I find a comic book series that is popular with women, and build a whole routine around it (I'm just using this as an example). If I tell no one, I keep my edge forever and now if I publish it I can convert it to status and money. That's pretty golden.

DHVing I guess but DHV is such a vague concept to PUAs it could mean anything, from social proof to dressing fancy. If the game is all about status symbols then what is with the routines?

Experience job seekers develop routines for interviewing based on what worked for them in the past. The premise is that new employers will react similarly, just as new women would.

Routines only work by coincidence I suspect. That is how Strauss can delude himself, by doing routines all the time and counting all the successes and forgetting all the failures.

The argument attacking this breaks down to this:

1. The routines I see don't work
2. Therefore, all routines don't work

The implied premise is "if there were routines that work, I'd have identified them."

Flawed argument.

There are great routines that can work, but that doesn't mean that all who create routines will do so effectively.




I should add that Strauss is unpleasant to look at and listen to. ugh[/quote]